Scott Mcwilliams
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| 01/24/2008 2:13 PM |
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I just acquired j24 hull 850. It is, of course, great fun to sail. I am dry sailing the boat and the club has an adequate crane. I have lifted her with slings and a spreader bar but I saw a strap for sale and some notes about a harness. Please tell me where I can get the details on the proper procedure and equipment for lifting a J 24. Is there a manual that came with the boat? Do I need one? I want to treat this boat right but there is one other at Sarasota Sailing Squadron and I haven't found the owner. Tips on information sources would be appreciated.
Scott McWilliams
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Ken Shores
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| 01/31/2008 11:13 AM |
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Scott,
Surely you are joking about a manual.... A single lifting strap is sold at either Layline or Annapolis Performance sailing. You can get the lifting bar from Waterline Systems. The lifting bar is located across the keel bolts in the bilge. (the plate in the floor of the cabin) There are several schools of though about lifting the J24. One says for older J's that you need install an inspection port to lift the boat perfectly level. The other saids no inspection port is needed and just lift it with the bow slightly down... (since the center of gravity is located forward of the line for the strap) Additionally if you life without an inspection port then you must tie off the lifting strap both port and starboard winches to prevent the boat from rolling.
Remember regardless of which way you lift it the boat is 3500 lbs, and you must have a lifting strap (without nicks or cuts) that is rated for above this weight.
Since much of the J24 is oral history and not written, I would appreciate hearing what you have found. By the way the double sling and spreader bar is the best way to go for even weight disturbution.
Regards,
Ken Shores
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Scott Mcwilliams
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| 01/31/2008 2:42 PM |
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Ken,
Thank you for your reply. I looked closely and it looks as though the strap will touch the cabin top with the companionway cover sild out of the track. I think a 28.5 inch 2 x 12 board will hold the strap off the cover is that necessary or is it alright for the strap to touch the cover. Is this where the inspection port comes in? I bought a strap from Mauri I will give it a try.
Thanks again
Scott (hull 850, 1978 I beleave)
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Ken Shores
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| 02/01/2008 10:22 PM |
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Scott,
If you go to the Annapolis Performance Sailing website (boat specific, J24's) they have a picture which will very crudely show the location of the inspection port. I estimate that the port is located stern edge 5 inches from the aft edge of the storm hood (on the centerline). If you add this you will have to take out 1/4" of the balsa wood and replace it with Epoxy and then cover that with epoxy paste (before installing the inspection port.)
I know that my boat has been lifted without an inspection port. I will let you know how it goes and of course will take pictures.
Fair winds,
Ken Shores
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Doug Hosford
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| 02/16/2008 12:44 AM |
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You should also look thru the topic "Lifting a J/24 with a JIb Crane".
Consider where you want to locate equipment before boring that hole. With all the heavy stuff (battery, anchor, chain, outboard, etc) located under the quarter berths to minimize moment of inertia, a seahood hole is a little to far forward for good lifting balance on many boats. The few boats in our fleet lifting through a seahood hole must put a lot of weight forward to keep the mast comfortably clear of the hoist.
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Ken Shores
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| 02/16/2008 10:29 AM |
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Doug,
The main concern that I have heard about lifting a J24 without the inspection hatch is that the bow is slightly down. I have also been told that it is important to have your outboard in the center of the cabin and all the sails in the Vee Berth. For me experience will be the best teacher. I will probably make the bar to protect the aft edge of my sea hood.
By the way the location of the inspection port was an estimate. I have not actually measured the location. I do find it interesting that the manufacture can't give me the coordinates.
If my schedule, and the weather would ever cooperate I will take my boat out for the first time. I am looking forward to that day.
Regards and thanks for the advise,
Ken Shores
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Peter Einthoven
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| 05/23/2008 12:02 AM |
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We lift our J24 with a lifting strap and without the inspection port. We have a 2x4 beam cut to fit across the companion-way opening (call it the "H" beam). There is a rope loop in the H beam that the lifting strap is pulled through. This prevents the boat from rolling side to side when we lift it (alternative is to tie the lifting hook to the starboard and port winches). We also tie a rope from the hoist hook to the mast, 1/2 between the deck and boom. If you tie this tight enough, it will hold the bow up. Otherwise the bow hangs down a good bit, but that is OK as well (helps keep the mast away from the crane).
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Wendover IV Neefus
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| 05/29/2008 6:39 PM |
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Check out our clubs lifting operations info and video clips.
http://www.cycinstitute.windwhisper.org/cyc_hoist_training.htm
Have fun sailing this Summer.
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Ken Shores
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| 06/09/2008 2:07 PM |
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Cory,
Thanks for the link. It will be very helpful for first time J Boat owners regardless of length.
I went ahead and put in the two inspection ports (the stern edge of the port in the seahood is 2.5 inches from the aft edge)(measure this out carefully because there is a structural member that goes across the forward edge of the companion way. DO NOT CUT this beam. Using an old halyard, and two 25 ft deck lines she lifts level. We are getting faster.
My biggest problem now are the power boats and their 3 ft swells.
Regards,
Ken Shores
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Scott Mcwilliams
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| 07/07/2008 5:29 PM |
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Ken,
I bought the strap and tried to lift the boat. I tied lines from the hook to the primary winches and tightened them. The boat tilted to starboard about 20 degrees and was very down at the bow. I put the outboard on the bracket to help balance it but no success, the boat was too far out of level and tilting too much. I intend to keep tring as the lifting system at the club is very cumbersome. In fact I bent a spreader using it last night. I am looking for an old type spreader as a replacement. The usual places only have parts for the spreader bar system. Any ideas?
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Ken Shores
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| 07/09/2008 6:59 PM |
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Scott,
Oh, shoot (not really what I mean). Sorry to hear about the spreaders.
I have learned a great deal since I first started asking questions.
The inspection ports line up with the keel bar. When I lift my boat I have an old halyard that I use to put a lanyard hitch on lifting strap. The two running ends of the halyard are then attached to the stern cleats. I have a 25 foot dock line fore and aft. All of the weight is in the vee berth (sails etc.). Don't lift the boat with the motor either in the boat or on the stern.
Surprisingly nothing else is needed. We pick her up. Move the trailer and swing her into the water. It is a trick to get the jib boom in between the back stay and the mast though.
From the third coast,
Ken Shores
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ferenc lazar
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| 07/10/2008 2:51 PM |
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I have an 84 (US 3884) and there is no inspection hole on the hatch cover, and it doesn't seem to want one (I guess the thick hatch cover is just forward enough)
with the hatch pushed all the way forward, the teak trim touches the strap (it was cable, but I'm buying a new strap), and we had two wires clipped to the left and right forward stanchion support bases (about mast line). With the engine mounted it was perfectly balanced.
For whatever it's worth.
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