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Pete Ramsdale
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| 07/04/2006 8:51 PM |
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Suggest rule change to:
4.1 Except where the Notice of Race and Sailing Instructions specify, ISAF OFFSHORE SPECIAL REGULATIONS Appendix J (Category 5) shall apply.
4.2 Local or national regulations, the notice of race or sailing instructions may prescribe additional safety equipment.
Remove rules:
3.8.5 A minimum of a one manual bilge pump and bucket of minimum capacity 10 liters. >>> covered under new 4.1 section 3.23.5 (e) & 3.23.5 (f)
3.8.7 One anchor with or without chain of combined minimum weight of 6kg attached to a minimum of 40m of not less than 8mm diameter non-floating line. When carried, anchor chain shall be attached to the anchor and shall be not weight more that 6 kg. The minimum weight of the anchor shall be 3kg. >>> covered under new 4.1 section 4.06.1
4.1.1 Not in use.
4.1.2 Navigation lights in working order. >>> covered under 4.2 if so required
4.1.3 A minimum of one fixed marine type compass of magnetic card or digital readout type capable only of instantaneous readout. (Compasses capable of displaying stored headings and/or performing calculations for storage of tactical information shall be not allowed.) >>> covered under new 4.1 section 3.24.1b
4.1.4 A minimum of one foghorn. >>> covered under 4.2 if so required
4.1.5 A minimum of one water resistant flashlight. >>> covered under 4.2 if so required
4.1.6 A minimum of one fire extinguisher: type and capacity required by local regulations. >>> covered under new 4.1 section 4.05.1
4.1.7 Life jackets or personal buoyancy equipment for each member of the crew. >>> covered under new 4.1 section 5.01.1
4.1.8 A minimum of one throwable lifesaving device with sea anchor attached within reach of the helmsman and ready for instant use, attached to the pushpit or inner side of the transom. >>> covered under new 4.1 section 4.22.1 (a)
4.1.9 Equipment capable of disconnecting and severing the standing rigging. >>> covered under 4.2 if so required
4.1.10 A minimum of one marine first aid kit and manual. >>> covered under 4.2 if so required
Rationale:
ISAF has created rules for offshore racing as follows:
“Category 5 Special Regulations are intended for use in short races, close to shore in relatively warm and protected waters where adequate shelter and/or effective rescue is available all along the course, held in daylight only.”
The J/24 Class should abide by ISAF rules, augmented by local and national rules. The NOR and SI can impose other requirements if required. There is no need for J/24 Class to “invent” standard safety standards when the International body has done so already, or local and national authorities have done so. We should defer to these bodies for safety requirements.
Note that the standards for lifejackets will be improved, hatches must be capable of being secured safely, and a heaving line is required.
Cost is minimal. Rules are simplified, and there is no mandated requirement for equipment it need not be purchased or carried (although you have to make up boat weight somehow).
Respectfully,
Pete Ramsdale
Technical Officer, Bermuda J/24 Class
PS It will also help me stop tying and untying the drogue on my lifesling as I move from IRC to OD racing each weekend!
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Pete Ramsdale
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| 07/19/2006 11:16 PM |
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| Proposal is to replace 12 rules with 2! No one want to comment? |
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thom henneberger
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| 07/20/2006 3:10 PM |
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| If I knew in detaail what the ISAF safety rules were, I might be supportiive. However, the J24 safety requirements are clear, they have worked well, and I don't see a compelling need to change. I oppose this change |
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Chris McLaughlin
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| 07/21/2006 10:58 AM |
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Cat 5 contains all the junk we are trying to get out of the boats AND MORE:
Part A 1.02/ Basic sets the responsinbility of the owner to ensure the boat is seaworty and up to sailing in all conditions
Part A 2.03 says all equipment should be stowed so it doesn't deteriorate and be properly checked and suitable for the type of yacht
Part A 3.08 deals with hatches and how they are secured
Part A 3.09 with cockpits, their strength and drainage
PartA 4.02 with sail numbers
Part B 3.23.5 to 5.01.1 requires the following be carried: 1 manual bilge pump, 1 x 2 gallon (9 ltre) bucket,One compass,one fire extinguisher if there is electrical system, engine or stove on the boat,one anchor, the yachts name on buoyant equipment, a lifebuoy with drogue(sea anchor) or life sling without a drogue both to be fitted with marine grade retro-reflective tape, a heaving line of lngth 50-70ft (15-25 metre)accessible to the cockpit or helm, each crew member to have a lifejacket equipped with a whistle, marine grade retro-reflective tape,if inflatable, checked regularly for air retention,clearly markedwith the yacht or owners name
Part C3.14 specila reguations on pulpits, stachions and lifelines, sail numbers for display when sails are down, a flashlight,a first aid kit,a waterproof chart,an echosounder or lead line,tools and spare parts,a throwing sock type of heaving line ( No idea!) mainsail reefing to reduce the luff by at least 60% or a storm trysail as in 4.26.6 and life jacket equipment or attribute - a lifejacket light in accordance with SOLAS etc... at least 150N buoyancy arranged to securely suspend an unconcious man face upwards at approximately 45 degrees to the water in accordance with EN396 ( ISO12402) or near equivalent, crotch strap or thigh straps, a splash guard- see EN394, if inflatable, supplied with a compressed gas infloation system
REJECT THIS SUGGESTION
Chris McLaughlin
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Pete Ramsdale
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| 07/21/2006 8:57 PM |
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Junk? With reference to the 2006 regulations:
"Category 5 Special Regulations are intended for use in short races, close to shore in relatively warm and protected waters where adequate shelter and/or effective rescue is available all along the course, held in daylight only. With the exception of recommended item 3.14 pulpits etc. for which see the main body of Special Regulations, all the items relevant to Category 5 are shown in Appendix J."
Appendix J:
1. responsibility (should be no problem)
2. suitability (should be no problem)
3. hatches & cockpits (got those)
4. sail numbers (fine)
5. Portable equipment (pump, bucket, compass, fire ext, anchor, bouy, line, lifejackets)
The proposal allows the SIs to defer Cat 5, or add to it. This would leave safety to either ISAF, or Organising Authority and get J24 class out of it.
If ISAF feels the need to specify a list of equipment (which we already carry) as required for racing "close to shore in relatively warm and protected waters where adequate shelter and/or effective rescue is available", can you imagine not carrying these and defending a liability suit.
Respectfully,
Pete |
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Jim Yares
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| 07/22/2006 4:24 PM |
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| Witholding a decision pending further information. I would like to see the rules comittee debate and frame the facts so that we can fully understand the implications. On one hand, the detailed prescriptions in our current rules have worked well to date. On the other hand, I see the benefit of leveraging the broader standard and just replacing the current rules with a reference to Cat 5. There is some merit to the idea. I just don't have enough experience / information to know the trade-offs. |
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Chris McLaughlin
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| 07/27/2006 10:30 AM |
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| Cat 5 adds and extends the junk in the boat. In a perfect world |
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Chris McLaughlin
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| 07/27/2006 10:40 AM |
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Cat 5 extends the junk carried. Look at the list...
Racers want the interior as empty as possible for one-design, round the cans racing.
In a perfect world one design sailors would want a boat at 1240kg, with 70kg of optional inventory including carrying anchor and warp,(7KG) life jackets, spares , battery operated nav lights when required,med kit, sails (21.5KG) to achieve an all up weight of 1310kg. I don't suppose we'll get all that but we must start somewhere with this 30 year old boat.
Simple, concise and safe.
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Rodger Voss
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| 08/01/2006 7:38 PM |
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| My response is on behalf of 12 of the 23 polled Lake George - Fleet 24 members. The majority response is . . . to not change the rule. Discussion: Ours have been well thought out and have satisfied our needs for many years, and more to come. |
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