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Marc Broman
Posts:3

11/30/2006 4:35 PM
I remember a few years ago, there were a few posts regarding a different sail plan, one with a bigger main and one jib no genoa. I have to race phrf and i am considering going to this plan. Does anyone know if you can have used melges 24 sails cut to fit on a j24 to fit this plan? Also has anyone had any experience with this setup and did it work? thanks Marc

Dan Webb
Posts:48

12/01/2006 10:08 AM
Nice topic... We race PHRF on a J/24 in our Tuesday night series. We get killed in light air and dominate in anything over 15 knots. We'd also like to get a set of PHRF sails that would help us in light air. Does anyone know how this PHRF sail plan performs in light air? Has anyone experimented with a mast head spinnaker? Since the top portion of the mast is only supported by the backstay would a mast head kite be too much load for the top section of the mast in anything over a 5 knot breeze?

Alan Ouellette
Posts:3

01/05/2007 1:26 PM
The problem with getting PHRF only sails rather than using the One Design sails is that you open yourself up to the whims of your local PHRF Committee. If you get non-class sails to improve light air performance, they will probably lower your rating. How good is the hull? That is probably a better place to spend money to improve performance. Or spend the money you would spend on PHRF sails to go to a J24 regatta :) That's my unsolicited two cents.

Marc Broman
Posts:3

01/05/2007 5:13 PM
Thanks for your reply. I actually have kind of different situation. i own a boat rental business so i actually have two j24s. One of my boats is ready to be raced one design and the other i am thinking about optimizing for phrf. I wish i could regularly race o.d. but i live on an island about 80 north of seattle. I have heard that the bigger main and a smaller jib setup works well, and quite frankly i am sick of trashing my genoas. It sounds like phrf is making everyone re measure there sails i will probably take a hit for having a bigger main but the idea of pointing with all the solings i race against is very intreaging. By the way the hull is in good shape i faired the keel and hull a couple of years ago.

Alan Ouellette
Posts:3

01/08/2007 1:53 PM
We occasionally race against Solings and are usually able to correct ahead of them. Locally the Soling rates 150 and we rate 171. It is very easy in light air to try to point to much and go very slow. You are better off putting the bow down a couple of degrees to generate speed through the water This gets the water flowing over the foils to generate lift, which helps you point. Things to check: 1. Make sure you mast butt is not too far forward. This will kill your light air speed. 2. Make sure shrouds are tuned for light air 3. Make sure your backstay is loose. You may need to back off the turnbuckles from the setting you use for more wind. you want to make sure the backstay is slack in light air. 4. Don't overtrim the genoa. On the subject of PHRF sails for the J24: It was either the Quantum or North loft in Newport, RI that was experimenting with them. I want to guess it was Tim Healy.

Bruce Palmenberg
Posts:2

12/16/2007 5:42 PM
I have 2- 1980's vintage J's I use in my sailing school, Florida Keys Sailing. The two boats have been modified to be a cross between the OD J's and the Interclub 24's I saw in the BVI. Since we don't race these boats OD any longer, I took the liberty of installing masthead spinnakers on each boat as well as roller fuling jibs. The addition of 2 running backstays and 2 mast T-Ball connections on topsides of the mast allows us to use these way oversized spinnakers ( + 40%) . IF...you want to race PHRF with your J/24 I would strongly suggest doing this. The downwind performance (speed) and jibe angles you will get is well worth the hit from the PHRF Committee. J/24's rate 165 in South Florida. I was issued a PHRF Certificate for one in 1997 and it was 158. The next OD J/24 was almost 7 minutes behind us at KW Race Week in about 12 KTs of wind. I am really considering adding asymmetrical chutes to these boats as well and do away with the pole completely

Bruce Palmenberg
Posts:2

05/14/2008 7:49 PM
I posted a reply in late 2007 regarding the use of masthead spinakers on my 2 - 1980 vintage J/24's I use in my business Florida Keys Sailing. Well...I bought the masthead assymetrical chutes as I mentioned I was considering. We are unstoppable in breezes of 12 knots in any PHRF race we enter. So guys there's your informarion. Trick out your J/24 for PHRF and save your money on a new mainsail. You can contact Rolly Tasker sailmakers for the new assymetrical sails and Selden Masts for your gennaker pole. Not only is the boat very easy to use, but it's fast. Enough said. Good Sailing! Bruce Palmenberg: owner Florida Keys Sailing 305-731-8105 J/24 Class member since 1979!

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